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slightlyoff@toot.cafe ("Alex Russell") wrote:

It also seems like the argument boils down to "cars bad", and...yes? Ok. Are these better or worse cars? Safer or less safe cars for pedestrians and cyclists? This is countable, and to the extent differentiable, we can draw conclusions about the safety and utility of different versions of this stuff.

But I'm not hearing a "pro-Lidar, fuck Musk's approach" anti-AV argument, which mostly makes me think it isn't serious.