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slightlyoff@toot.cafe ("Alex Russell") wrote:

As @samruby would say, it's all intertwingly. We need our profession to deliver for users so that our profession (which, as @remotesynth points out, is longer than the life of any tool) can remain relevant.

I'm not telling you to write raw JS and HTML, I'm not saying "no frameworks", but we must mark this stuff to market. It's long past time, and to get there we need to put outcomes for users in the frame of reference, along with developer feels.